發新話題
打印

[認真] 德州槍擊至少26人死亡

http://www.dailywire.com/news/23 ... ructor-hank-berrien


I didn’t have any time, because I kept hearing the shots, one after another, at a time, very rapid shots, just pop, pop, pop. And I knew every one of those shots represented someone, that it was aimed at someone, that they just weren’t random shots, more than likely. I grabbed a handful of ammunition and started loading my magazine. And I’m trying to survey the situation, not knowing what’s going on; and then I saw a man in a black tactical helmet with a dark-shaded helmet on, and obviously looked to me like it was a bulletproof vest. He had a pistol in his hand, and we exchanged gunfire. And I was standing behind a pickup truck for cover, and we exchanged fire. He saw me, and I saw him, I’m like, it was surreal to me; it couldn’t be happening. I couldn’t believe it. I know I hit him. He got into his vehicle, and he fired another couple rounds through his side window. When the window dropped, I fired another round at him again. We chased him down 539, and when we first started chasing him he was out of sight. And the man driving the truck, I found out later his name is Johnny; he was driving at a high rate of speed. We were trying to pass cars to catch up. We called 911 and we were talking to 911. I was scared for me, and I was scared for every one of them; I was scared for my own family that lived just less than a block away. I’m no hero; I am not. I think my God, my Lord, protected me and gave me the skills to do what needed to be done. And I just wish I could have got there faster.

TOP

擁槍權在美國已經是「潘朵拉的盒子」,收唔番。畢竟美國有三億枝槍在民間,即人手一枝,今時今日至考慮管制槍械,即係政府從良民手中繳械!反之,不法之徒一定有好多途徑獲得黑槍犯案。

TOP

引用:
原帖由 新手一隻 於 7-11-2017 14:30 發表

此處詭辯得有啲明顯。 前面講緊禁止人民持槍,呢度就跳到警察都唔可以有槍。

傾緊禁槍,你又拉埋乜嘢彈匣限制乜嘢禁車。其實師兄你想表達乜嘢?
麻煩你望清楚
"全個城市完全冇槍你生活有冇問題? " 係MG 兄講既, 我只係回應佢.

我既論點好簡單
D人成日用"殺傷人數" 去支持禁槍/加強槍管.
我只係話比你地聽, 一擺"汽車"落去你地D論點全部自相矛盾.

你地要講禁槍/槍管,請從其他方面入手,避免自曝其短,謝謝.

TOP

引用:
原帖由 MG-42 於 7-11-2017 13:51 發表


前幾版講左政府有坦克武直了,槍冇用了... 有冇由頭版追起?
你話冇用就冇用? 咁大口氣?

TOP

提示: 作者被禁止或刪除 內容自動屏蔽

TOP

引用:
原帖由 新手一隻 於 7-11-2017 18:35 發表

我上面作出的statement邊度自相矛盾?如何自相矛盾?講清楚啲好喎。

車殺傷力高,所以殺傷力高唔可以作為禁槍理由。請問前句如何證明後句

唔係你話短就短㗎,講嘢要有根據有邏輯 ...
邏輯?
閣下明白殺傷力高不等於殺傷人數?
核彈威力再高,佢擺係貨艙封塵,殺傷人數就只有當初日本果幾十萬人。
汽車對比核彈殺傷力夠低了,全球車禍卅比車撞死係每日一千個一千個咁加上去既。

連我講緊咩你都冇去理解。

TOP

引用:
原帖由 Epxaiual 於 7-11-2017 19:30 發表


邏輯?
閣下明白殺傷力高不等於殺傷人數?
核彈威力再高,佢擺係貨艙封塵,殺傷人數就只有當初日本果幾十萬人。
汽車對比核彈殺傷力夠低了,全球車禍卅比車撞死係每日一千個一千個咁加上去既。

連我講緊咩 ...
汽車係必需品,冇可能限速 50 呢個咁簡單嘅事實閣下又何曾理解過呢?
五十步笑百步

TOP

回覆 82# 的帖子

人地美國,槍械係保障人民政治權力既必需品,冇可能禁槍尼個咁簡單既事實閣下又有冇理解過呢?

[ 本帖最後由 Epxaiual 於 7-11-2017 19:57 編輯 ]

TOP

提示: 作者被禁止或刪除 內容自動屏蔽

TOP

提示: 作者被禁止或刪除 內容自動屏蔽

TOP

我諗好多人都冇認真睇過second amendment.
Person, persons, people. People 係collective body, 唔係個人。

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

我唔太識英文,但Right to bear arms之前,好似有條件。

TOP

引用:
原帖由 新手一隻 於 7-11-2017 08:49 發表

咪幫我設計對白啦
我係話禁槍增加持槍犯案的難度,唔係禁槍就天下太平啊。

澳洲禁槍後沒有再好似96年咁一死就幾十人。近期啲的14年人質事件,兇手即使有前科,仲可以擁槍,如我上面所說,係審核制度 ...
我第一個回覆已講左問題出係監管啦...
已有報道疑犯係'合法'擁有枝槍 軍方承認左係佢犯家暴後無ban佢擁槍

有人打算犯案自然會諗方法 無槍用未用貨車、炸彈 禁得幾多樣 壓力煲、鐵釘?
犯罪成本唔會影響有心想搞事既人wor  唔通d孤狼冇槍就乖乖地 繼續同你講愛與和平?
槍真係萬惡的根源噢

TOP

引用:
原帖由 loveless 於 2017-11-7 22:41 發表
我諗好多人都冇認真睇過second amendment.
Person, persons, people. People 係collective body, 唔係個人。

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the  ...
The commas are there for a purpose...

我覺得用 目標 代替 條件 會易明D

[ 本帖最後由 Ben_9413 於 7-11-2017 23:28 編輯 ]

TOP

引用:
原帖由 loveless 於 7-11-2017 22:41 發表
我諗好多人都冇認真睇過second amendment.
Person, persons, people. People 係collective body, 唔係個人。

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the  ...
呢個爭議點打到上聯邦法院上訴庭: US v Timothy Joe Emerson 270 F3d. 203 (5th Cir. 2001) 係個個案例入面, 上訴法院深入分析唔同學者對第一句既理解, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" 其中一種理解係"第二修正案不適用於個人", 第二種係"有條件既個人權利", 第三種係"第二修正案容許個人擁有武器既權利". (見Emerson 一案A 部份). 而第五上訴法院考慮好多 (唔知係咪全部, 又或者係咪齊) 州最高法院同聯邦上訴法院案例後, 得到既結論係:

"We agree with the district court that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to privately keep and bear their own firearms that are suitable as individual, personal weapons and are not of the general kind or type excluded by Miller, regardless of whether the particular individual is then actually a member of a militia."

而Miller (United States v Miller 307 US 174 (1939)) 係聯邦最高法院案例, Miller 例外係指任何不能在現時同一支有紀律既民兵既保持同效率有合理關係既武器 "some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia."

簡單黎講, 即係話係Emerson 一案, 聯邦第五上訴法院裁定政府不可以限制個人管有及"葵"帶(食字, 同音)槍械既權利, 但係條件係1. 個d槍械係適合作為個人武器; 2. 要係同一支有紀律既民兵既保持同效率有合理關係 (Miller 一案係關一支18 寸槍管12 號散彈槍事, 當時最高法院話無證據法官唔可以自己話支野係唔係同一支有紀律既民兵既保持同效率有合理關係), 但兩個條件同個個人本身係咪民兵組織成員無關.

而同一個結論係2008 年聯邦最高法院既 District of Columbia v. Heller 554 U.S. 570 一案亦都係以5:4 裁定, 第二修正案係容許個人擁有武器.(Antonin Scalia 上年過左身, 唔知如果同一個案件今日再審, 9 個法官會係4:5 定係5:4?)

[ 本帖最後由 derp 於 8-11-2017 00:44 編輯 ]
"At the common law no man can be prohibited from working at any lawful trade, for the law abhors idleness."

Sir Edward Coke

1 個讚好! TOP

提示: 作者被禁止或刪除 內容自動屏蔽

TOP

發新話題